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Something has seemed fairly obvious in the field of leadership development for a while now: the gap between what people learn and what they're able to apply when they return to their organisations. It shows up as disillusionment, stalled change efforts, and the recurring question of why things that seem so clear in a programme setting become so resistant in practice. It's a gap Liz Skelton has been sitting with, and working on, for over two decades.

Join KG and Paul as they chat to Liz about systemic leadership, polycrisis, and the conditions that either allow or prevent new ways of working to take hold. Liz is a leadership practitioner, co-author of Lost Conversations, and PhD candidate at the ANU School of Cybernetics, and her work sits at the intersection of adaptive leadership, systems change, and the question of what it actually takes to shift entrenched dynamics.

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Paul also detected banana. The official tasting notes did not. We encourage you to weigh in.

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Useful resources from this episode

1. Liz Skelton on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liz-skelton-3160834/
2. The Adaptive Practice: https://www.theadaptivepractice.com.au
3. ANU School of Cybernetics: https://cybernetics.anu.edu.au
4. Lost Conversations, book.

If you are interested in a written reflection of this discussion and its themes, you can find our brief article here.

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