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Conversations about Meher Baba

Conversations about Meher Baba

By: Angela Lee Chen - Baba Zoom
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Different hosts, different topics, sometimes featured guests: but always about loving Meher Baba in the present tense.

Conversations are held live on Baba Zoom at various times. If you want to join the conversation, visit babazoom.net for more information: the calendar of events, and login information is available under the ”Virtual Meetings” page.

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  • Late Night Chat with Jeff Wolverton: E&G: ”The Provisional Ego,” Mar 30, 2026, live Baba Zoom

    Late Night Chat with Jeff Wolverton: E&G: ”The Provisional Ego,” Mar 30, 2026, live Baba Zoom
    Mar 31 2026
    Dear folks of Baba, In the chapter on “Changing Our Address”, Darwin discusses at length the provisional ego recommended by Baba as a means of bypassing our ego, that small, limited self that hides our wholeness, our inherent divinity. Putting the provisional ego into practice is profoundly challenging and elusive, but it is where we are ultimately heading. How do we get there? What are the intermediate steps? Here is how Baba describes what He means by the provisional ego (provisional meaning temporary, a substitute arranged for the time being only): “Think of me in everything you do. Eat, dance, but forget yourself in the action and think of me instead. This is union through action. The less you think of yourself and the more you think of Baba, the sooner the ego goes and Baba remains. When you — ego —go entirely, I am one with you. So, bit by bit, you have to go. Today your nose, tomorrow your ears, then your eyes, your hands, everything. “Think of me when you eat, sleep, see and hear. Enjoy everything, but think it is all Baba. Baba enjoys it. Baba is eating it. Sleep soundly in Baba, and when you wake up remember it is Baba getting up. Keep this one thought constantly with you. If you do wrong, then think it is Baba doing wrong. If you get a pain, think it is Baba getting a pain. Then it will be all the time Baba ... Try to forget yourself and do all for Baba. Let it be Baba all the time!” For those on the path of self-effacement, the provisional ego is the final practice in annihilating the ego. It usually begins as an exercise, but ultimately the truth behind the provisional ego will be revealed in us through experience. That is, the provisional ego is useful as a method, but it has to eventually become a reality. In lifetime after lifetime, we identify with the character before us and are pulled into the whole illusion of Creation. What we are being asked to do is to remain fully aware of Creation and express love, but not identify with anything in it. Baba has said that we are really infinite, but we identify with the mind, and instantly we become a person! If we didn’t do this, we would remain the Infinite that we really are. All this is a very tall, tall order from Baba. Bit by bit, we have to go. We are not really our roles; we are really Baba in disguise. Kitty Davy would often quote this line from the Bible, “… I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me.” What I found most difficult to reconcile in the practice of the provisional ego is Baba’s statement: “When you do wrong, then think it is Baba doing wrong.” That initially seemed like giving us a blank check to do anything. In spite of my wholehearted efforts to think of everything as being done by Baba, it took over a decade for this to begin to be real for me. I remember Eruch saying one day in Mandali Hall on this subject, “The moment you take credit for doing anything, the whole provisional ego collapses like a house of cards.” Too often my reaction to some of the selfish things I would do was just too intense to blame it on Baba and the provisional ego! I would have to go back again to the drawing board and start the practice all over again. Here is an exchange that took place years ago that was profoundly helpful to me as a valuable intermediate step leading toward practicing the provisional ego. I was in Mandali Hall in Meherazad, and I said to Meherwan Jessawala, one of the mandali, “I have tried Baba’s practice of the provisional ego over the years, sometimes for months on end, but I’ve never been able to make it stick. I do it for a while, and it is very helpful but then it somehow unravels and I don’t keep it up. It becomes more of a mental exercise rather than an actual experience. What do you suggest I do?” Meherwan looked at me very intently and said, “Try this. When you wake up in the morning, say to Baba, 'Come with me as I begin my day.' When you have breakfast, say, 'Baba, join me for breakfast.' When you go to work, say, 'Baba, come with me to work. Be with me when I come home.' When you have to piddle, say to Baba, 'Come with me. I have to piddle.' This was the perfect answer to where I found myself inwardly at the time—the perfect intermediate step. He was suggesting to me to first be more grounded in Baba’s companionship, He and I, before attempting to practice the provisional ego, a very tall order! I said to Meherwan, “What you have suggested is plan B until I’m ready for plan A.” He smiled at that and said, “Yes!” In following this practice, there comes a sense more and more that Baba is actually the doer and we are the witness. An unexpected transition gradually takes place where it seems that Baba is orchestrating everything, that He is behind the unfolding of our day, a day definitely full of more love than if we were actually in charge. What challenges have you faced in trying to put the provisional ego into ...
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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • Caregiving Discussion Group, March 28, 2026, live on Baba Zoom

    Caregiving Discussion Group, March 28, 2026, live on Baba Zoom
    Mar 30 2026

    Baba says, "If we suffer in the sufferings of others, and feel happy in the happiness of others, we are loving God." Many of us are at an age where we need care, or have dear friends and family who need care. Let's get together today and share stories of our experiences. Bring helpful quotes or stories from Baba to share.

    Hosted by Betty Lowman in CA

    This event was recorded live. To be first to be notified of a new video on this channel, please hit the red subscribe button, then the notifications bell. To join future live events, see www.babazoom.net. Please join our Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/meherbabafamily
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    1 hr and 50 mins
  • Late Night Chat with JeffWolverton: E&G: ”Longing, A Divine Attribute,” Mar 23, 2026, live BabaZoom

    Late Night Chat with JeffWolverton: E&G: ”Longing, A Divine Attribute,” Mar 23, 2026, live BabaZoom
    Mar 26 2026
    The Topic: Longing, A Divine Attribute Dear folks of Baba, Darwin used to say that our longing is an invaluable essential in carrying us on our journey home to Baba. As he maintained, it is critical in “redirecting our energies and transmuting our lower desires to a higher purpose. We slow down the wanting machine…by diverting the imagination to more constructive ends. This is sublimation.” Longing is not an emotion but is one of the divine attributes, like gratitude, that flow into our deeper heart directly from Baba. Darwin went so far as to refer to the sublimation of our lower energies into longing as the “new mysticism.” Rather than struggle endlessly with our desires, that is, fighting the negative in us, we make positive and herculean efforts to turn our full attention toward our longing for love, for the divine, for Baba’s immediate presence in our lives. Darwin would say that the tremendous energy locked up in our desires can actually be transmuted into longing for God. How can we help Baba in awakening this longing in us? I think all of us find that focusing on His lovely form through photographs and movies, and steeping ourselves in the details of His life naturally awakens a longing to be more intimate in our relationship with Him. We are so attracted by His personal attention and care for us; no one in our life has ever loved us and responded so deeply and knowingly to who we are. We cannot help but long for a greater and greater intimacy. We may sometimes feel relatively content with our love for Him, but if we focus more deeply on our love, we will see its limitations: the conditions we place on expressing it in this world, our tendency to put so much focus on our problems and worries, and all our likes and dislikes. If we compare our love to Baba’s unlimited and unconditional love--its sweetness and uplifting quality, and His personal care for each one--we will never be fully content: our soul will never be satisfied with our love for Him and will eventually come knocking at our door with intense and deep longing to break out of our limitations! Feeling the limitations of our love and comparing it to Baba’s unlimited love in itself creates longing. Mansari, one of the women mandali, used to say, “Always be satisfied with Baba’s love for you. Never be satisfied with your love for Him.” However, if the limitations of our love create a feeling of unworthiness, the ego has entered the picture: we are letting unworthiness and sometimes even the delusion of not wanting to burden Baba keep us from asking Him for love. He has clearly said, “He who asks for my love will be my chosen one.” Longing will eventually lift us above our desire nature and self-centeredness and turn our focus on Baba’s ever-present, expansive love. In time, the longing within us becomes abiding, and it is a quiet joy at various moments during the day to feel this longing for Baba’s divine love. Rumi has said it beautifully, “Longing is already a taste of what we’re looking for.” And elsewhere, he has written, “Your longing for Me is My message to you. All your attempts to reach Me are in reality My attempts to reach you.” Darwin is not referring to the acute longing that some advanced souls experience due to their separation from God. Baba has said, “One who obeys the Master who is one with God, need not suffer these things, for in obedience is the Grace of the Master.” In obeying Him by remembering His love and in carrying out our responsibilities in the world wholeheartedly, we needn’t suffer the agony of separation; in our obedience is Baba’s presence. Our longing grows steadily and is in fact an actual participation in the goal of Baba’s Love itself, which dissolves to a large extent the pain of separation. Longing is not felt then as a lack of love in ourselves, but is experienced as a taste of Baba’s sweet love in this moment and in the moments to come. Baba said to Rick Chapman in 1966, "Pay no attention to the thoughts of the mind … It is the nature of the mind to have all variety of thoughts, good and bad. You should just keep longing in your heart for me." On another occasion, at a small gathering, Baba had this couplet read out, written by Hafiz on the night of his Realization: My ceaseless longing has achieved this union, I am reaping the reward of that longing tonight. What awakens and inspires longing in you? Seeing Baba in photographs and movies, reading about His life? Yearning for a deeper love and intimacy with Him and with others and the world? Is it Baba’s many precious interventions in your life that create longing in you? What do you do when you are not experiencing longing? In His love, Jeff This event was recorded live. To be first to be notified of a new video on this channel, please hit the red subscribe button, then the notifications bell. To join future live events, see www.babazoom.net.
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    1 hr and 9 mins
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