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Cross-Examined

Cross-Examined

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The law never stops evolving. Now, Victorian lawyers have a new way to stay informed. Cross-Examined is a new podcast from the Law Institute of Victoria. Tune in to hear experts on hot topics in the law and the changes shaping the legal profession. Regular episodes will cover everything from AI and cyber threats to ethical dilemmas, workplace taboos and practice management insights. To make sure you don’t miss our first episodes, landing in early 2026. Find and subscribe to Cross-Examined on your favourite podcast app today.Copyright 2025 The Law Institute of Victoria Economics Political Science Politics & Government Social Sciences
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  • How AI in legal supervision is changing lawyer training

    How AI in legal supervision is changing lawyer training
    Mar 23 2026
    Artificial intelligence is reshaping how junior lawyers develop core legal skills and how they are supervised and mentored.In this episode, Allens’ Lisa Kozaris and Caitlin Dagher share how AI in legal supervision has minimised the grunt work, created space for higher value thinking and changed the dynamics of the mentorship between senior and junior lawyers.Tune in to hear some real-life examples from inside one of Australia’s largest law firms, including programs to improve digital literacy, and why open conversations about AI matter for building confidence and good judgment.The episode also offers practical advice about how firms can support experimentation, set clear boundaries and recognise the digital strengths junior lawyers bring to legal practice. This is essential listening for practices big and small developing the next generation of lawyers in a rapidly changing profession.Guest: Lisa Kozaris, Chief Innovation and Legal Solutions Officer at Allens www.linkedin.com/in/lisakozaris/Caitlin Dagher, Associate in Disputes and Investigations at Allens and a recent graduate www.linkedin.com/in/caitlin-dagher-15450b138/Host:Karen Finch, Head of Legal Policy and Innovation, Law Institute of Victoriakfinch@liv.asn.au | www.linkedin.com/in/karen-finchEpisode OverviewThis episode explores how AI is reshaping legal supervision, training and young lawyer development. Lisa Kozaris, Chief Innovation and Legal Solutions Officer at Allens, and Caitlin Dagher, Associate in Disputes & Investigations, share insights on how the profession is shifting as traditional manual tasks that once defined early legal careers are increasingly automated.Despite profound technological shifts brought about by legal artificial intelligence technology, foundational legal skills – such as critical thinking, legal analysis and strategic reasoning – remain irreplaceable. Rather than diminishing these abilities, AI tools help accelerate the early, manual stages of legal work, allowing juniors to focus on high-value tasks.Allens has prioritised digital learning for lawyers, integrating new ways of working into its core legal training programs and adopting both general purpose and legal-specific AI tools into its practice. As the use of technology becomes more integrated into its practice, the importance of open, transparent conversations about mentoring and AI use become increasingly more important.The benefits flow both ways, and firms can reap huge benefits from today’s junior lawyers status as digital natives who are eager to test out the latest AI tools and confident in applying technology in the workplace in new and interesting ways.Topics & Timestamps: [00:20] Intro and guest welcome[02:02] How young lawyers’ skill development has changed with AI[05:20] The key to using AI well in a practice[08:03] How AI affects a mentor relationship[10:57] What AI tools and programs Allens has implemented[12:29] How senior lawyers can ensure AI skill development in juniors[14:48] Valuing junior lawyer digital skill sets[18:30] AI skill building compared to billable workKey Takeaways:AI is changing how junior lawyers learn, but not what they learn, with critical thinking skills still at the core of their development.Including AI in mentorship conversations can make its use more transparent, collaborative and effective.Digital literacy is now a fundamental legal skill, and firms should be encouraged to embed AI training into their practice for lawyers at all levels.Learning by doing is the most effective way to develop AI capabilities.Junior lawyers often bring fresh AI insight and capabilities, which senior lawyers could benefit from embracing.Resources & Links:LIV Artificial Intelligence Hub – essential and up-to-date AI resources for Victorian practitionersEthical and Responsible Use of Artificial Intelligence – LIV AI Ethics Guidelineswww.allens.com.auwww.allens.com.au/insights-news/explore/2025/the-allens-ai-australian-law-benchmark-2025/“Supervising AI” – LIJ article by the Legal Practitioner’s Liability Committee“AI and democracy” – LIJ article by The Honourable Justice Melissa PerryCentre for AI and Digital Ethics (CIADE)For the latest insights on Victorian legal developments and to hear directly from leading voices in the profession, subscribe to Cross-Examined on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or visit the Law Institute of Victoria website.Follow us on LinkedIn for legal insights and episode updates.Enjoyed the episode? Leave a rating to help other legal practitioners find and benefit from the series.About This PodcastCross-Examined is a new podcast from the Law Institute of Victoria. Tune in to hear experts discuss hot topics in the law and the changes shaping the legal profession. Regular episodes will cover everything from AI and cyber threats to ethical dilemmas, workplace taboos and practice management insights.This podcast is recorded on the traditional lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. ...
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  • AI and the Legal System: Bias, transparency and ethics

    AI and the Legal System: Bias, transparency and ethics
    Mar 16 2026
    This episode examines how artificial intelligence is reshaping legal practice and the broader justice system. University of Melbourne Professor Jeannie Marie Paterson explores both the promise and the pitfalls – highlighting how AI can boost efficiency gains while raising critical questions about governance, transparency and the need for sustained human oversight. Drawing on real-word failures, she explains how opaque systems can embed bias and produce hallucinations that undermine legal ethics. The conversation also considers how regulation, professional responsibility and improved AI design can ethically enhance the legal system.Guest: Jeannie Marie Paterson, Professor of Consumer Protection and Technology Law at the University of Melbourne and a Fellow of the Australian Academy of LawCo-founding Director of the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Digital Ethics (CAIDE)https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/jeannie-paterson | https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeannie-marie-paterson-225b4a33Host:Karen Finch, Head of Legal Policy and Innovation, Law Institute of Victoriakfinch@liv.asn.au | www.linkedin.com/in/karen-finchEpisode OverviewThis episode explores how artificial intelligence (AI) is reshaping legal practice and the broader justice system. University of Melbourne Law Professor Jeannie Marie Paterson discusses both the promise and the pitfalls of AI, highlighting efficiency gains in tasks like document review and research, while stressing the need for strong governance, transparency and ongoing human oversight.The conversation examines real-world failures such as Robodebt and COMPAS, illustrating how opaque systems can embed bias and undermine legal ethics. Jeannie also addresses the growing issue of AI hallucinations, which can produce convincing but false legal information, reinforcing the importance of rigorous verification by lawyers.The episode considers how regulation, professional responsibility and improved AI design can support more responsible use of technology, as well as whether AI can improve access to justice and ethically enhance the legal system.Topics & Timestamps [00:24] Intro and guest welcome[01:38] How AI is currently helping lawyers[03:42] Benefits and challenges of predictive AI[04:46] Lessons from the Robodebt and COMPAS scandals[07:15] The issue of hallucinations[10:38] The importance of accuracy and transparency[13:14] Regulation challenges[15:14] Can AI improve access to justice?[17:56] What separates lawyers’ skills from AI?[20:30] What the future of AI and the law looks likeKey Takeaways:The opportunities for AI in law are almost unlimited, but most of the profession’s attention is currently on tools that do document and low-level diagnostic work.Predictive AI in law is useful but raises a lot of risk because it can amplify existing historic biases.An algorithm is only as good as the data it is trained on, so lawyers need to be wary of outcomes being hallucinations. They may sound legitimate but have no factual basis.It is challenging to consider regulating AI while the profession is still working out how to use it.AI could assist lawyers to broaden the scope of the services they provide.Whatever the future of AI use in the legal system, it must be used in a way that is ethical, responsible and transparent.Resources & Links:LIV Artificial Intelligence Hub –essential and up-to-date AI resources for Victorian practitionersEthical and Responsible Use of Artificial Intelligence – LIV AI Ethics Guidelines“Supervising AI” – LIJ article by the Legal Practitioner’s Liability Committee“AI and democracy” – LIJ article by The Honourable Justice Melissa PerryCentre for AI and Digital Ethics (CIADE)“Lessons from Robodebt” – LIJ article by Matthew Munro and Nidal SayeghAI Hallucination Cases Database“Pro bono: Simple high tech” – LIJ article on the Justice Connect triage toolFor the latest insights on Victorian legal developments and to hear directly from leading voices in the profession, subscribe to Cross-Examined on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or visit the Law Institute of Victoria website.Follow us on LinkedIn for legal insights and episode updates.Enjoyed the episode? Leave a rating to help other legal practitioners find and benefit from the series.About This Podcast:Cross-Examined is a new podcast from the Law Institute of Victoria. Tune in to hear experts discuss hot topics in the law and the changes shaping the legal profession. Regular episodes will cover everything from AI and cyber threats to ethical dilemmas, workplace taboos and practice management insights.This podcast is recorded on the traditional lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. The Law Institute of Victoria acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of Country across Australia. We pay our respects to Elders past and present.Disclaimer:This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace professional legal advice. The views expressed in this ...
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  • How AI is transforming courts across Asia-Pacific

    How AI is transforming courts across Asia-Pacific
    Mar 9 2026
    Artificial intelligence is rapidly reshaping courts and legal systems across Asia‑Pacific. In this episode of Cross‑Examined, we speak with Eric Chin, Asia Pacific Director of New Law at PwC, about how AI and generative AI are being adopted by courts from Singapore and China to Australia and beyond. Eric shares best practice example of using AI for legal research, judgment support, small claims assistance and even access‑to‑justice initiatives. The conversation examines what Australian legal practitioners can learn from their Asia‑Pacific neighbours about adopting AI.Guest: Eric Chin, Asia Pacific Director of New Law Practice and the Legal Generative AI Initiative Lead, PwCFounding board member of the ASEAN Legal Tech Association, co-founder of Legal Hackers Melbourne and co-creator of the Global Legal Tech ReportExpert in legal innovation, legal process digitisation and generative AI solutions for law firms and in-house legal teams.www.linkedin.com/in/ericjychin/ Host:Karen Finch, Head of Legal Policy and Innovation, Law Institute of Victoriakfinch@liv.asn.au | www.linkedin.com/in/karen-finch/As artificial intelligence rapidly reshapes courts and legal systems across the Asia-Pacific region, this episode explores how leading legal jurisdictions are adopting AI – and what Australian lawyers can learn from those experiences.Eric Chin, Asia Pacific Director of New Law at PwC, unpacks the innovative ways AI and generative AI are being used in the courts in APAC countries such as Singapore and China. He shares real-world examples of how generative AI is supporting legal research, judgement analysis, small claims assistance and access-to-justice initiatives, offering valuable insights into the future of tech-supported justice.This episode also examines the key legal, ethical and professional challenges associated with AI in courts. Listeners will gain practical guidance on identifying reliable resources that Australian lawyers can use to adopt AI ethically and effectively in their legal practice.Timestamps:[00:12] Intro and guest welcome[01:30] Recent research into AI adoption in Asia-Pacific courts[03:00] The history of AI and the legal profession[05:10] Singapore’s innovative approach to AI[07:23] The AI framework in Chinese courts[10:45] The greatest AI challenges in APAC[13:44] How AI in Australia’s legal system compares[14:52] How AI can improve access to justice[16:28] Finding reliable information on AI adoption[17:24] Embracing AI within the legal profession in a safe wayKey Takeaways:Generative AI is being adopted at varying speeds across Asia-Pacific courts, with jurisdictions implementing AI tools based on judicial priorities and technological readiness.Singapore is considered a leader in legal AI, particularly in using AI to improve access to justice, streamline court processes and support self-represented litigants.Chinese courts are highly proactive in regulating and strengthening AI technologies designed to strengthen judicial efficiency and court system compliance.Other APAC regions, including Australia, are piloting generative AI tools, especially for legal drafting, document review and chronology building.Courts are taking measured approaches to AI adoption to safeguard judicial independence and preserve public trust in legal systems.Generative AI has potential to enhance pro bono work, particularly by assisting with initial client queries and administrative support for community legal services.The LIV AI Hub is a trusted and reliable resource for Australian lawyers seeking guidance on AI adoption in legal practice.Resources & Links:Artificial Intelligence Hub – The LIV’s AI Hub, providing essential resourcesEthical and Responsible Use of Artificial Intelligence – LIV AI Ethics GuidelinesSupervising AI – Article from the LIV’s Legal Practitioner’s Liability CommitteeAI and democracy – LIJ article by The Honourable Justice Melissa PerryMain Home - ALTA – The Australian Legal Technology AllianceCritical skills: Defensible use of AI in legal practice – LIJ article by Tom Bennett-Mitrovski, a legal technology specialist based in SingaporeAsia-Pacific Legal Innovation and Technology AssociationMedia Release: New Generative AI-powered Case Summarisation Tool to Help Small Claims Tribunals Users – Media release from the Singapore Government CourtsFor the latest insights on Victorian legal developments and to hear directly from leading voices in the profession, subscribe toCross-Examined podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or visit the Law Institute of Victoria website.Follow us on LinkedIn for legal insights and episode updates.Enjoyed the episode? Leave a rating to help other legal practitioners find and benefit from the series.About Cross-Examined:Cross-Examined is a new podcast from the Law Institute of Victoria. Tune in to hear experts discuss hot topics in the law and the changes shaping the legal profession. Regular episodes will cover everything from AI ...
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