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Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery

Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery

By: Allen Berger & Thom Rutledge
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Bill Wilson, co-founder of Alcoholic's Anonymous, wrote in 1952, "If we examine every disturbance we have, great or small, we will find at the root some unhealthy dependence and its consequent demand." Wilson suggested that if we could identify and continually surrender these unrealistic and unrecognizable demands, that we may then be able to accomplish what he imagined to be recovery's next frontier - something he called emotional sobriety. Flash forward 70 years, and join psychotherapists and best-selling authors Thom Rutledge and Dr. Allen Berger, who have taken up the mantle of exploring Bill Wilson's new frontier. Welcome to Emotional Sobriety.© 2021 Hygiene & Healthy Living Personal Development Personal Success Psychology Psychology & Mental Health
Episodes
  • Anger is Just Another Feeling
    Mar 26 2026

    Thom’s Nutshell:

    One of emotional sobriety's greatest challenges is for us to understand and accept our contribution to our own distress without becoming distracted by self-condemnation.

    Shame and humility are not the same thing. One of the first levels of self-acceptance is an utter refusal to be in an adversarial relationship with ourselves. When we take ownership over our own existence, there’s nowhere left to hide. In this episode, Allen and Thom touch on the notion of writing an apology letter to our bodies for the way we’ve disregarded them - a practice that will further our journey towards wholeness.

    Behind anger is pain. If we keep yelling about what’s bothering us, behind the rage are usually tears. In dealing with anger, we continue trying to live in the space between a stimulus and a response, which widens as we continue to practice emotional sobriety and maintain alignment with reality.

    Our music is provided by the great southern artist Jefferson Ross. Learn more about Jefferson at jeffersonross.com

    Visit our website:

    www.emotionalsobriety.info

    Follow us on social media:

    Instagram: thomrutledge2

    Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs

    Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here:

    https://rebelliondogspublishing.com

    Friendly Circle Berlin workshops: https://friendlycircleberlin.org/events

    Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/

    Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below):

    https://zoom.us/j/330149513

    Password: 375986

    For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g

    Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519

    We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings.

    We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.

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    31 mins
  • Moving Forward After Relapse, Part Two
    Mar 16 2026

    Thom’s Nutshell:

    Rigorous honesty begins at home.

    Joe C. joins us to discuss the ways relapse is experienced by the loved ones of the relapser, and how we can think about these distressing events differently. The universe isn’t guided by structure and order alone. There’s chaos as well. We have influence, but not control, and with emotional sobriety we can more clearly see that distinction.

    Thank you for listening to our podcast. Our music is provided by the great southern artist Jefferson Ross. Learn more about Jefferson at jeffersonross.com

    Visit our website:

    www.emotionalsobriety.info

    Follow us on social media:

    Instagram: thomrutledge2

    Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs

    Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here:

    https://rebelliondogspublishing.com

    Friendly Circle Berlin workshops: https://friendlycircleberlin.org/events

    Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/

    Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below):

    https://zoom.us/j/330149513

    Password: 375986

    For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g

    Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519

    We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings.

    We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.

    Chapters
    • (00:00:00) - Emotional Sobriety
    • (00:06:56) - In the Elevator With George Clooney
    • (00:07:58) - What is Truth in Sobriety?
    • (00:11:49) - Risk of Absurdity
    • (00:14:56) - In the Elevator With an Alcoholic
    • (00:17:17) - Al Anon on Rejection and Recovery
    • (00:26:12) - Sam and Joe: Emotional Sobriety
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    30 mins
  • Moving Forward After Relapse, Part One
    Mar 8 2026

    Thom’s Nutshell:

    “You cannot work both sides of the serenity prayer. Choose. Commit.”

    Emotional sobriety is about moving forward. The key to unlocking long term recovery is learning to support ourselves internally by organizing our experience to deal with the struggle. To move through and out of relapse, we can’t collapse into a pile of “shoulds.” Relapse occurs for addicts when they haven’t accepted at an unconscious level that they are powerless. In acceptance we begin to take back our power.

    Our love and prayers go out to all victims of the wars raging across the entire world.

    Visit our website:

    www.emotionalsobriety.info

    Follow us on social media:

    Instagram: thomrutledge2

    Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs

    Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here:

    https://rebelliondogspublishing.com

    Friendly Circle Berlin workshops: https://friendlycircleberlin.org/events

    Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/

    Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below):

    https://zoom.us/j/330149513

    Password: 375986

    For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g

    Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519

    We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings.

    We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.

    Chapters
    • (00:00:00) - Working the Serenity Prayer: The Next Step in Recovery
    • (00:04:32) - A Couple's Humility in Recovery
    • (00:09:44) - "Self-Esteem Is Not an All or None"
    • (00:11:13) - How to Talk to Someone Who Relapsed
    • (00:15:33) - The Recovery Decision
    • (00:20:02) - What's the Cause of Early Recovery?
    • (00:22:38) - Tom: Self-Love
    • (00:28:03) - A shout out to our military personnel
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    30 mins
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Whether you're new to the 12 steps or been in recovery for years. enlightening for anyone who struggles with addiction from food to alcohol and anywhere in between.

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