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(Denise Billen-Mejia MD CH www.healandberadiant.com office@aahypnosis.com

Les Roberts ACH www.lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk contact@lesrobertshypnotherapy.co.uk

Guest Tony Gordon www.changingyourmindltd.com TonyGordon@changingyourmindltd.com

0:00) Welcome to Two Hypnotherapists Talking with me, Denise Billen-Mejia, in Delaware, USA. (0:06) And me, Les Roberts, in St Helens, United Kingdom. (0:10) This weekly podcast is for anyone and everyone who'd like to know more about (0:14) the fascinating world of hypnosis and the benefits that it offers.(0:19) I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and specialist in working with children. (0:24) And I'm a retired medical doctor and consultant hypnotist. (0:30) We are Two Hypnotherapists Talking.(0:33) So let's get on with the episode. (0:37) So, hi everybody, wherever you are. (0:40) We've got a very special guest today and his name is Tony Gordon.(0:44) He's a friend of mine as well. (0:46) I've done a lot of work with Tony over the years (0:48) and he's an empowerment leadership coach. (0:53) Welcome, Tony.(0:55) Thank you, Les. (0:55) And thank you, Denise, for having me on. (0:57) You're welcome.(0:59) So actually, it's a great opportunity to hear (1:02) somebody else's take on the work we do. (1:05) So that's really good. (1:06) How long have you been in that field? (1:09) I suppose five years.(1:11) Two thousand and twenty one. (1:14) I was made redundant from a bank I worked in, part of the HSBC group, (1:18) where I was a mental health first aider. (1:20) And I used to get frustrated in the bank that I knew I could tell people more, (1:24) but I wasn't allowed because being the first aider, (1:26) I had to then pass them on to counsellors.(1:30) And a lot of the people used to tell me that it was great doing that, (1:33) but it wasn't suitable for them. (1:35) It wasn't right for them. (1:36) So I used the redundancy to retrain rather just... (1:39) I've been a coach for over 20 years in the bank.(1:42) And what I decided to do was to train in hypnotherapy (1:45) because I'd been using self-hypnosis to help me through an illness (1:48) and realised that hypnotherapy and NLP, (1:52) which I found out through the same people, (1:54) hand-in-hand was probably the most powerful medium (1:57) that I found to help those people. (1:59) The coaching had done great things with them, (2:02) but not to the extent I could do with this. (2:05) Yeah, just a sort of asterisk there by that comment.(2:10) One of the things that we're concerned about is this overselling. (2:14) I absolutely think that, for a start, (2:16) every single person on the planet has been hypnotised in some way at some time, (2:21) not necessarily by a hypnotist, (2:23) but that this is a natural thing that happens (2:27) and we can all use it and get value from it. (2:31) And how do people find you these days? (2:35) Do you go out and speak or do you just romance? (2:39) I do a bit of everything.(2:42) Networking. (2:43) I was an ambassador for a network group for the last two years as well, (2:45) so I led the networks. (2:47) I do a lot of talks on different subjects as well (2:50) for people in the corporate world (2:52) as well as in private.(2:56) And also, a lot of my work has always came from referrals (3:00) from previous clients or companies that I've done work with (3:04) whose staff may suddenly have issues. (3:06) So although I've done the team building and leadership training, (3:09) they realise when the staff have certain issues there (3:11) that they can come to me (3:12) and I can do one-on-one with them as well. (3:14) Are these people who come to you for business issues (3:17) and you realise there are some underlying issues (3:20) that you can help them with? (3:21) Yeah.(3:22) A lot of the people who