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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.


Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.


The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.


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  • Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Three
    Apr 21 2026

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was the football history podcast. In today’s episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring this Graham Taylor series to a close with the Oslo qualifier that defined his reign: a chaotic, tactically muddled 2–0 loss to Norway at the peak of their ‘golden age’, captured in painful detail by The Impossible Job. Unpacking Taylor’s mounting stress, tabloid caricature and “no‑win” selection calls—especially the dilemma of persisting with an undercooked Paul Gascoigne—before explaining how the back-three plan collapsed, England’s structure unravelled, and Norway’s alertness (including a quick free kick) punished them. The episode breaks down England’s chaotic structure, Norway’s tactical calm under Egil “Drillo” Olsen, and Taylor’s famous touchline outbursts, before tracing the fallout: “Norse Manure” headlines, concerns the players had stopped responding, and a demoralising US tour. England briefly revive by beating Poland, but lose in Rotterdam and, despite winning 7–1 in San Marino after conceding almost instantly, miss out as the Netherlands win in Poland. They assess Taylor’s broader legacy, his misfortune with timing and player form, and his later rehabilitation at Watford.


    01:51 Norway’s Golden Generation

    04:51 Tabloid Mockery Era

    06:11 Psychology and Pressure

    08:18 The Gaza Fitness Dilemma

    18:30 Paranoia and Tactical Switch

    22:50 System Collapse in Oslo

    25:57 Quick Free Kick Nightmare

    29:41 Norway Strike Again

    30:32 Tabloid Backlash

    32:07 Tactics And Trust

    35:18 Bigger Picture Failings

    42:56 USA Tour Fallout

    43:49 Last Chance Qualifiers

    45:36 San Marino Shock

    48:28 Reassessing the Taylor Legacy


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    54 mins
  • Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Two
    Apr 14 2026

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was. In today's episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson continue Graham Taylor’s England story as the 1994 World Cup qualifying begins to wobble, with Paul Gascoigne’s talent and volatility dominating the narrative. They examine how Taylor’s pragmatic, direct style—shaped by lower-league realities and later linked (often unfairly) to FA long-ball doctrine—collided with more technical European approaches, and how internal battles involving Charles Hughes and data pioneer Charles Reap poisoned the backdrop. England’s campaign lurches through a Norway draw at Wembley after a late stunner, a Gascoigne-inspired win over Turkey, and a damaging 2–2 draw with the Netherlands featuring an undetected elbow and a late penalty. With Gascoigne returning in a mask, England then stumble in a hostile Poland away match and escape with a late equaliser, before Taylor’s brutal “headless chickens” verdict leaves his team heading to Oslo under growing pressure.


    00:24 Setting the Scene

    03:08 Taylor’s Pragmatic Roots

    06:50 Pressing vs Possession

    10:04 Charles Hughes and the Winning Formula

    13:55 Reap vs Hughes Fallout

    19:31 Norway’s Long Ball Irony

    21:59 Back to Qualifying Hopes

    24:10 Gazza’s Norway Controversy

    26:50 Taylor’s Gaza Dilemma

    28:22 Norway Opener Heartbreak

    30:53 Turkey Win and Dependence

    32:53 Too Honest With Press

    40:12 Dutch Clash at Wembley

    44:13 Mask Return and Mania

    45:52 Poland Chaos and Critique

    49:03 Headless Chickens Finale

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    50 mins
  • Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part One
    Apr 7 2026

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue on from last week’s episode with Jan Fjortoft to delve into how things went wrong for Graham Taylor during his time as England manager. In this first part of a three part series on Graham Taylor (following our episode with Fjortoft) we take a look at the high of Italia ’90 to the early warning signs of Graham Taylor’s troubled England reign, setting up the wider story of his eventual downfall. Central to the episode is Paul Gascoigne’s rise into “Gaza mania,” the off-field chaos and disciplinary problems that followed, including the 1991 FA Cup final knee rupture and subsequent setbacks. Taylor struggled to manage both the player and the circus around him. England qualified for Euro 1992 but drew twice, lost to Sweden and Taylor’s substitution of Gary Lineker became emblematic as tabloid ridicule culminate in a reputational collapse for Taylor.


    01:05 The Impossible Job Era

    07:39 Referees And Rotterdam

    12:47 Italia 90 Reality Check

    20:02 Gaza Mania Begins

    25:31 Euro Qualifiers Begin

    28:24 Ireland Away Selection

    30:08 Taylor Press Tightrope

    35:48 Cup Final Knee Rupture

    41:46 Euro 92 Sweden Turning Point

    42:55 Lineker Sub Controversy

    47:50 Fitness Gap And Refuelling

    49:32 Turnip Taylor Tabloid Sting

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    51 mins
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