In this episode of the Personality Couch Podcast, we (licensed clinical psychologists Doc Bok and Doc Fish) unpack some of our difficulties understanding antisocial personality disorder in how it combines psychology, morality, philosophy, and societal judgment. We focus on: where’s the line for disorder; how can we diagnose without judgment; and what does this personality look like when it’s not disordered? We pull from historical examples of antisocial types in specialized roles and also hypothesize that America might have transitioned from a narcissistic nation to an antisocial one.

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Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Antisocial Personality & DSM Problems 02:46 Antisocial Personality Defined in the PDM 07:02 Where’s the Disorder Line? 17:29 Other Dark & Criminal Personalities 21:08 Morality & Antisocial Traits in Specialized Professions 23:37 Are We An Antisocial Society in America? 30:43 Are Antisocials Treatable? 34:37 Holding Empathy & Accountability for Antisocials 40:00 Closing Quote