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Positive Disintegration

Positive Disintegration

By: Emma Nicholson and Chris Wells
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What if your emotional intensity isn't a problem to solve, but a pathway to growth? Positive Disintegration explores how inner conflict and breaking down can lead to profound transformation. Hosts Chris Wells and Emma Nicholson dive into Kazimierz Dąbrowski's theory of positive disintegration, examining giftedness, neurodivergence, and the journey toward becoming your authentic self.

www.positivedisintegration.orgEmma Nicholson & Chris Wells Hygiene & Healthy Living Psychology Psychology & Mental Health
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  • Voices at the Margins

    Voices at the Margins
    Mar 31 2026
    Episode 83 includes something we’ve never done before on Positive Disintegration. It’s a conversation among seven neurodivergent podcasters—recorded as part of a peer-reviewed paper that has just been published in Neurodiversity journal. The paper, “Voices at the Margins: Podcasting as Neuroqueer Collaborative Autoethnography and Epistemic Healing,” positions podcasting as a research methodology within critical neurodiversity studies, and this conversation is the data.The seven of us—Caitlin Hughes, Chris Wells, Emma Nicholson, Bee Mayhew, Sheldon Gay, Marni Kammersell, and Teena Mogler—sat down together to explore what podcasting makes possible that other forms of research and advocacy cannot. What emerged was a conversation about voice, belonging, lived experience as expertise, and the kind of knowledge that forms between people when they’re allowed to think out loud together.Rather than following a rigid script, we were guided by five open-ended questions that Caitlin designed to hold space for relational dialogue and reflexive sense-making. We talked about the inaccessibility of traditional knowledge spaces, what it means to reclaim lived experience as valid and generative knowledge, and the truths that live in contradiction, tangents, and half-finished thoughts. We also explored how this kind of podcasting ripples outward into neurodivergent community and belonging.The paper identifies nine resonances that emerged from the recording, including voice as epistemic repair, messiness as method, lived experience as expertise, multiplicity and difference as community, and humor and play as co-regulation. If you’ve ever felt like this podcast gave you permission to be unfinished, or helped you see yourself outside of yourself—that’s the ripple we’re talking about.Read the full paper (open access): https://doi.org/10.1177/27546330261437265Published in: Neurodiversity, Volume 4, Special Issue: Towards a Critical Turn in Neurodiversity Studies: Bridging the Arts, Humanities and the Social SciencesThe podcasters in this episode:* Caitlin Hughes (she/they) is a queer, nonbinary, multi-exceptional Australian social worker, researcher, educator, and advocate. Late-identified as Autistic, ADHD, Gifted, and PDA, Caitlin co-hosts the Divergent Dialogues podcast and brings a lived experience-led perspective to their work. They are committed to fostering epistemic healing through relational ethics, narrative reclamation, and accessible, lived experience–driven knowledge creation. * Chris Wells (they/them) is a multi-exceptional, nonbinary, and neurodivergent writer, podcaster, and developmental theorist specializing in Dąbrowski’s theory of positive disintegration. They co-host the Positive Disintegration, cosmic cheer squad, and PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcasts, and are the founding president of the Dąbrowski Center and co-creator of the Positive Disintegration Network. Chris brings lived experience and a deep commitment to reframing neurodivergence through a developmental and relational lens.* Emma Nicholson (she/her) is a neurodivergent Australian Senior Business Analyst, creative and advocate, identifying as gifted, Dyscalculic, with all five overexcitabilities (psychomotor, sensual, intellectual, imaginational, and emotional), as well as bisexual and Heathen. She co-hosts the Positive Disintegration Podcast and serves as Vice President of the Dąbrowski Center. She is driven by an unkillable passion to demystify positive disintegration and share hard-won truths to help others feel seen and supported.* Bee Mayhew (she/her) is a multiply neurodivergent (late-identified AuDHD, former gifted kid) writer, narrative collaborator, and communication coordinator for PDN Media. She co-hosts cosmic cheer squad podcast and has a background as a hospitality specialist and business owner. Bee’s work centers on collective narrative-building and neurodivergent storytelling through activist, community-rooted practice.* Sheldon Gay (he/him) is a Black Gifted speaker and podcast host of I Must Be BUG'N (Black Underrepresented/Unidentified Gifted and otherwise Neurodivergent). Sheldon is guided by the belief that learning to deeply and wholly Love oneSelf, cape and kryptonite, is the path to finding, creating, and maintaining Love everywhere we go.* Marni Kammersell (she/her) is an American late-identified neurodivergent (Autistic, ADHD, PDA, gifted) parent of neurodivergent children. She is an educator, researcher, writer, and consultant, and co-hosts the PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcast. Marni is dedicated to honoring neurodivergent experience through relational, self-directed, and nervous-system-informed knowledge practices.* Teena Mogler (she/her) is an Australian AuDHD social worker, researcher, educator, and advocate, as well as co-host of the Divergent Dialogues podcast. As a mother to neurodivergent children, Teena is passionate about amplifying neurodivergent voices and ...
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    1 hr and 46 mins
  • Flourishing with AuDHD and PDA

    Flourishing with AuDHD and PDA
    Jan 13 2026

    In episode 82, Chris and Emma talk with Mattia Maurée about the intersection of ADHD, autism, and PDA—the Pervasive Drive for Autonomy. Mattia is an AuDHD coach and host of the ADHD Flourishing podcast. We discuss what it actually means to flourish rather than just cope or survive, why the pathology paradigm failed so many of us, and how positive disintegration offers a different lens for understanding intense neurodivergent experiences.

    Mattia shares their journey from misdiagnosis to self-understanding, the physical reality of nervous system shutdown, and why “do less” might be the most radical advice for neurodivergent people. We also get into the work question—why so many of us can’t stay in traditional jobs, the integrity trigger, and what it means to build a life around your actual needs rather than neurotypical expectations.

    Links from this episode

    AuDHD Flourishing Podcast

    AuDHD Flourishing Episode 88 with Chris Wells

    Do Less

    Also mentioned:

    * PDA: Resistance and Resilience Episode 7, Creative Resistance, with Marni Kammersell, Chris Wells, and guest Mattia Maurée

    * Caitlin Hughes from the Divergent Dialogues Podcast

    * Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • Reflections at Year Four

    Reflections at Year Four
    Dec 9 2025

    In episode 81, Chris and Emma mark four years of the podcast with a candid look at what’s changed—in themselves, their work, and their relationship to the theory.

    Both faced challenges this year, and both noticed something striking: they handled it differently than they would have before. The theory has become a real-time companion rather than a post-mortem tool—dynamisms catching in the moment instead of being identified after the fact.

    They discuss:

    * The shift from analyzing crises afterward to navigating them as they unfold

    * How relational resilience and genuine listening matter (with gratitude to bee mayhew )

    * What they’d do differently—never saying levels, prioritizing lived experience over expertise, better audio equipment

    * Plans for 2026: more episodes featuring just the two of them, deeper dives into lived experience

    * An announcement: they’re stepping away from the Dabrowski Congress to take a new direction

    The episode ends where the theory always points: shedding what’s less like us and moving toward greater autonomy.

    Resources from this episode

    * Dabrowski 101 (YouTube)

    * Ep. 56: Autoethnography for Personal Growth

    * Ep. 72, Healing through Writing with Dr. Lil Jedynak (The Gifted Experience)

    * cosmic cheer squad podcast

    * PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcast

    Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

    If you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!



    This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe
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    59 mins
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