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A single bad week can define a leader, especially when the whole country is watching and the information is incomplete. Former acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly joins us for a candid, detailed conversation about what it’s like to make consequential decisions at the highest levels of Navy leadership and the Department of Defense, then live with the second-guessing long after the moment has passed.
We start with his Cleveland upbringing as the child of Eastern European immigrants, his path through the Naval Academy, and a career that blends military aviation, teaching, business leadership, and Pentagon service. From there, we get practical about change management inside enormous institutions: why bureaucracy resists innovation, how priorities vanish after leadership turnover, and why he believes longer terms for service secretaries could help sustain real defense reform. We also talk about military due process and what the Gallagher case revealed to him about investigative assumptions and the need for specialized expertise in laws of armed conflict cases.
Then we go to the most scrutinized moment: the USS Theodore Roosevelt COVID-19 outbreak. Modly explains how he processed risk, command breakdowns, crisis communication, and accountability, including the decision to relieve Captain Crozier and what he wishes he could have done differently face to face with the crew. We close with a clear-eyed look at naval strategy and shipbuilding, including what the 355-ship goal actually measures, why industrial base capacity matters more than slogans, and how workforce shortages can become a national security constraint.
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