In the same week, one woman poured out her costly oil, one friend sold Him out for thrity pieces of silver, and Jesus went to the cross for them both. That is the kind of love this episode is about.

This episode is about truth, love, the Church( with the big and little Cc) and what it costs to stay when leaving would just be easier.

Recorded during Holy Week, we are reminded of a woman who poured out her oil on Jesus while, in the very same week, Judas agreed to betray Him for silver-- and how Jesus went to the cross for both of them anyway.

In this conversation with Natalie Runion, founder of the Raised to Stay movement and author of four books including: Raised to Stay and I Don't Even Like Women, we talk about church hurt, healing, truth in love, humility, revival, and why the Church doesn't need more platforms- it needs more mothers, builders and people willing to pour out their lives in quiet obedience.

We also talk about why so many women are exhausted for competing for seats they were already given as daughters, and how revival will not built on competition, ego, or performance, but on humility, repentance, healing, and love.

This conversation is for the people who want to love the Church, even when she is messy. For the people who are tired but still faithful. For the people telling the truth in love. For the people who are staying when it would be easier to leave, or at least curious about it.

If this is you, come sit with us at the table. We're wildly hopeful.