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The Ethically Immoral Podcast

The Ethically Immoral Podcast

By: Hosted by: Mike Payne
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The Ethically Immoral Podcast is a program dedicated to long-form conversations with poets, spoken word artists, authors, and creatives who use language as a tool for truth-telling, healing, and resistance. Hosted by Mike Payne, the show travels beyond the typical interview to explore the personal histories, artistic philosophies, and cultural contexts that shape the voice of the Creatives we welcome.


It’s not just about poetry or performance — it’s about the people behind the pen. We talk about identity, healing, joy, frustration, and the journey of becoming. Some moments are deep, others are funny, but all of them are authentic. If you’re someone who values storytelling, vulnerability, and good conversation, this space was created and cultivated for you.

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Episodes
  • Volume Seven: Chapter Two - Our Conversation with Stephanie Bolster
    Mar 31 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter Two of the podcast, we welcomed Vancouver-born, Quebec-based Educator, Writer, Poet, and Author of the poetry collection Long Exposure, Stephanie Bolster.

    Stephanie is Professor of Creative Writing at Concordia University, earned her BFA and MFA from the University of British Columbia, and is the author of five poetry collections.

    In our conversation we discuss her creative beginnings—starting with early storytelling, a childhood desire to become an author, and the writers who helped define her path. She speaks on discovering poetry through Emily Dickinson, and later finding something deeper and more urgent in the work of Sylvia Plath—an influence that helped shift poetry from something she enjoyed to something she needed.

    We also spend time unpacking identity—what it meant to call herself a poet early on, before expectations and career entered the picture, and how that relationship to the word “poet” has evolved over time. That idea opens into a broader conversation about imagination, the role poetry plays in making sense of the world, and whether those two instincts—creation and understanding—work together or pull in different directions.

    We discuss Long Exposure, a project more than a decade in the making, and what it means to finally bring that work into the world. Stephanie reflects on her relationship with the collection, the time it took to come together, and how living with a manuscript for that long shapes both the work and the writer behind it.

    We close on process and balance: her writing routine, the importance of physical space and environment, and the ongoing challenge of making room for writing within the realities of teaching, family, and life. It’s a transparent look at the tension between knowing writing is essential and still having to negotiate time for it.

    Contact Stephanie:
    Website:
    stephaniebolster.com Instagram: @stephaniebolster0110

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Shanelle Gabriel – Vanity
    Instagram: @shanellegabriel Website: shanellegabriel.com

    Matt Capone – Learned with Love
    Instagram: @matt__capone

    Gigi Bella – Slut
    Instagram: @ggbellag Website: gigibellapoetry.com

    Anyrah Shaveh – We Must Not Die Young
    Instagram: @iamshaveh Website: anyrahshaveh.com

    Moody Black – Eight Letters
    Instagram: @iammoodyblack Website: iammoodyblack.com

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    2 hrs and 12 mins
  • Volume Seven - Chapter One - Our Conversation with Ebony Stewart
    Mar 23 2026

    In Volume Seven: Chapter One of the Program, we welcome Houston, Texas–born and based Educator, Playwright, Actress, Writer, Author, and Performance Poet Ebony Stewart. She is the 2017 Woman of the World Slam Champion, a three-time Austin Neo Soul Slam Champion, a B. Iden Payne Award recipient, and the David Mark Cohen New Play Award winner. She is also the author of four books, including her latest poetry collection Wash, which was recently named an Honors Award winner by the Texas Institute of Letters.

    In our conversation, Ebony reflects on what that recognition for Wash actually means—not just as an acknowledgment of the work itself, but as an outside validation of her writing acumen. We talk about the evolution of her voice, the version of herself that shows up in this collection, and how periods of creative difficulty—graduate school where writing poetry became difficult—shaped the way she approaches the page now.

    We also spend time sitting with something a lot of artists tend to move past too quickly: accomplishment. With a résumé as extensive as hers, Ebony discusses how often she truly pauses to take it in.

    Ebony opens up about the leap into becoming a full-time creative—what it looked like before that transition, the grind of balancing teaching with constant travel and performance, and the moment she decided to bet on herself. From there, we get into confidence: what it’s made of, how authenticity, self-awareness, and emotional honesty factor into it, and how she’s learned to carry heavy things like grief without letting them define every room she walks into.

    Contact Ebony:
    Website:
    ebpoetry.com Instagram: @gullyprincess

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Nayo Jones – We Will Not Ask
    Instagram: @nayojones Website: nayojones.com

    Jay Ward – Gentrification
    Instagram: @jayward2030

    Alysia Harris – Controlled Burn
    Instagram: @poppyinthewheat Website: alysiaharris.com

    Ebony Stewart: How We Forget (After Loyce Gayo)
    Ebony Stewart: Single

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    1 hr and 35 mins
  • Volume Six: Chapter Twenty - Our Conversation with Kathryn MacDonald
    Mar 16 2026

    In Volume Six: Chapter Twenty of the Program, we welcome Ontario-based Educator, Writer, Painter, Photographer, Author, and Poet Kathryn MacDonald. Our conversation explores the many ways creativity can intersect—through poetry, visual art, travel, and teaching—and how each discipline shapes the way an artist observes and responds to the world.

    Kathryn discusses her reputation as an ekphrastic writer, explaining how her poetry often emerges from an emotional dialogue with visual art and the details she encounters in everyday life. We talk about the role observation plays in her work, her writing process, and how reading and creative community continue to shape her development as a writer.

    We also explore her experiences as a sailor and traveler, how those journeys have influenced her imagination, and the relationship between her poetry, painting, and photography.

    The conversation concludes with a discussion of her forthcoming poetry collection, The Blue Gate, a lyrical exploration of love, grief, and the shifting emotional landscapes that follow loss.

    Contact Kathryn:
    Website:
    kathrynmacdonald.com

    Recorded Spoken Word Performances Featured Include:

    Jae Nichelle – Brown Skin Girl
    Instagram: @croptopassassin Website: jaenichelle.com

    Emi Mahmoud – Window Games
    Instagram: @emibattuta Website: emi-mahmoud.com

    Crystal Valentine – I am Black before Woman in February
    Instagram: @crystalvalentine94 Website: iamcrystalvalentine.com

    Natasha Ria: Shine
    Website: natasharia.com Instagram: @natasharia

    Javon Johnson: Building
    Instagram: @javonism

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    1 hr and 54 mins
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