• Your Empathy is NOT for Sale
    Apr 9 2026

    In this time of end-stage capitalism, when everything is for sale -- our time and attention, our emotions, and our empathy -- it's important to know that we have a choice.

    Empathy is not simply the ability to feel alongside people; it's our capacity to interact with anything -- people, animals, art, literature, music, concepts, ideas, and even inanimate objects. Our capacity to empathize is a part of our capacity to interact and make sense of our world.

    If people ask you to drop your empathy (completely, or toward people and groups), they're asking you to be less functional. That's not workable in the short run or the long run.

    Here are some ideas about how to retrieve your empathy from the control of others.

    Karla mentions the group Leaving MAGA: https://leavingmaga.org/

    Books mentioned in this episode:

    Karla's books, The Art of Empathy and The Language of Emotions at Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/lists/karla-mclaren-s-books

    Books from this episode that help you take multiple perspectives (an excellent way to develop robust empathy) at Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/lists/the-off-ramp-project

    Missing the Solstice on Kindle and in paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F6TRWRBZ

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    50 mins
  • Welcome to The Off-Ramp Project
    Apr 2 2026

    In a time when our emotions, our empathy, and our loyalties are being manipulated constantly -- and when we're being pitted against each other for the benefit of the people in power -- how do we find our way back to ourselves and each other?

    How do we reclaim our good minds, our empathy, and our emotional lives so that we can face the serious troubles in our world together, with courage, camaraderie, hope, and a sense of humor?

    And how can we do that when we're surrounded by intentional chaos, polarization, dehumanization, and intense manipulation of our emotions and our empathy?

    In The Off-Ramp Project, we explore the undercurrents that have led us to this painful and chaotic time, and we focus on protecting our emotions and empathy from manipulation, understanding the end goal of polarization and dehumanization, seeing clearly through high-control and cultic tactics, and understanding the end-times thinking that drives a lot of what we're facing.

    This podcast is focused on the crisis in the United States, but it's helpful for anyone facing emotional manipulation, injustice, abuse, authoritarianism, cultic control, extremism, and the hijacking of empathy.

    I have devoted my life and career to developing "empathic badassery," a form of empathy that is deep, muscular, and willing to dive into the shadows of human nature. Therefore, The Off-Ramp Project doesn't support the creation of enemies, of sides, of polarization, or of "those bad people who are creating all of the problems."

    We're in this together. We broke this together, and we'll fix it together.

    And we'll build new off-ramps. Together.

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    17 mins
  • Becoming an Off-Ramp
    Nov 27 2025

    Episode 16: How do we create off-ramps for ourselves, and become able to offer off-ramps for other people -- especially people we're being urged to distrust, hate, or even dehumanize?

    In the 16 episodes of this season, we've looked at some of the complex factors that have led us to this polarized and endangering time of emotional manipulation, cultic mechanisms of control, cruel hierarchies of human worth, and the constant manipulation of our attention and our emotions in this time of unregulated endstage capitalism. It's a lot.

    But it's not everything.

    There are things we can do to support ourselves and each other in this time of trouble. We can become off-ramps for ourselves and step away from polarization, distrust, and dehumanization to reclaim ourselves again.

    We can refuse to become weaponized, and instead offer our presence to people we're being urged to exile.

    We can find ways to become off-ramps to others -- if they're ready to step away, and also if they can't quite do so yet. The time to make up your mind about people is never.

    This marks the final episode of season 1 of The Off-Ramp Project. Thanks for listening. Take care of yourself, and I'll see you in Season 2.

    Books mentioned in this episode:

    Missing the Solstice by Karla McLaren: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F6TRWRBZ

    Beyond the Politics of Contempt by Doug Teschner, Beth Malow, and Becky Robinson: https://beyondthepoliticsofcontempt.com/

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    45 mins
  • Growing Beyond the Politics of Contempt
    Nov 20 2025

    In this episode, I'm joined by authors Doug Teschner and Beth Malow to talk about their new book: Beyond the Politics of Contempt -- and it's such an important book for our polarized and contempt-filled times.

    We've been taught to polarize ourselves and see difference as absurd or dangerous, and we've been invited to show contempt for people who don't believe or vote as we do.

    These are social injuries, and they require social solutions. Doug and Beth talk about their book and their work as Braver Angels volunteers and leaders -- which has helped them avoid contempt, and learn how to reach across divides, de-polarize themselves, and rehumanize others.

    Taking an off-ramp from this time of extreme polarization means identifying and challenging the ways we've been manipulated into warring camps. We don't have to agree, but we do need to stop exiling and demonizing others if we want to get anywhere worthwhile.

    Books and sites mentioned in this episode:

    Beyond the Politics of Contempt by Doug Teschner, Beth Malow, and Becky Robinson: https://beyondthepoliticsofcontempt.com/

    Together Across Differences (Doug and Beth's FREE Substack): https://togethernow.substack.com/p/one-month-since-the-book-launch

    The Hidden Tribes Report (a research project about understanding polarization in the US): https://hiddentribes.us/

    High Conflict by Amanda Ripley: https://bookshop.org/p/books/high-conflict-why-we-get-trapped-and-how-we-get-out-amanda-ripley/1aa1a2637891ca8d

    The Case for Phone-Free Schools by Jonathan Haidt: https://www.afterbabel.com/p/phone-free-schools?r=182klo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam: https://bookshop.org/p/books/bowling-alone-revised-and-updated-the-collapse-and-revival-of-american-community-robert-d-putnam/0a3388f210d22ad0

    The Upswing by Robert Putnam: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-upswing-how-america-came-together-a-century-ago-and-how-we-can-do-it-again-robert-d-putnam/64510b7b8b907f87

    BALANCED AND UNBIASED MEDIA OUTLETS

    Tangle News: https://www.readtangle.com/

    AllSides: https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news

    he Flip Side: https://www.theflipside.io/

    Ground News: https://ground.news/

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    57 mins
  • Listen to Your Own Depression
    Nov 13 2025

    Your situational depression is an essential emotion that helps you become aware of realities you may have been avoiding, and it removes your ability to move forward doing the wrong thing with the wrong intentions for the wrong reasons at the wrong time.

    Sadly, we've been taught to see our situational depression as an unwanted thing -- a psychiatric disorder, and something not to be trusted. This is such a shame.

    Sadder still, when the intelligence in our situational depression is not available to us, we can be vulnerable to people who want to control us by manipulating our depression (this happened on a national scale in 2015).

    In this episode, we look at ways to listen to our own situational depression so that we can be better protected around people who would try to manipulate us into depression for their own gain.

    Books and practices mentioned in this episode:

    The Depression Inventory: https://karlamclaren.com/taking-a-depression-inventory/

    The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/the-language-of-emotions-book/

    The Language of Emotions Workbook by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/loe-workbook/

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    58 mins
  • Working with Your OWN Shame
    Nov 6 2025

    Episode 13: Many people avoid shame, but don't realize that in so doing, they avoid growth, empathy, evolution, and becoming truly themselves.

    It's essential, then, to understand the difference between your own chosen, appropriate, and necessary shame versus the shame-blame that people use to control or abuse you.

    In this episode, we look at ways to know the difference, and what to do if your essential and life-giving shame has been hijacked by abusive, controlling, and unhealthy messages.

    Books and practices mentioned in this episode:

    The Eyes of Horus by Joan Grant: https://bookshop.org/p/books/eyes-of-horus-joan-grant/bacd6c470976e817

    The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/the-language-of-emotions-book/

    The Language of Emotions Workbook by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/loe-workbook/

    The Burning Contracts practice for shame: https://karlamclaren.com/reworking-a-toxic-emotion/

    The Burning Contracts video for shame: https://youtu.be/bsphw5C7aIE?si=K3lKUszSeUrADt07

    Missing the Solstice by Karla McLaren: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F6TRWRBZ

    Stolen Pride by Arlie Russell Hochschild: https://bookshop.org/p/books/stolen-pride-loss-shame-and-the-rise-of-the-right-arlie-russell-hochschild/645bfe0a64abb5be

    Mistakes Were Made (but not by me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson: https://bookshop.org/p/books/mistakes-were-made-but-not-by-me-third-edition-why-we-justify-foolish-beliefs-bad-decisions-and-hurtful-acts-carol-tavris/507560a2efd55431

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    56 mins
  • Reclaim Your Shame
    Oct 30 2025

    Episode 12: Many of us have been chased away from shame, because it seems to cause nothing but pain.

    However, shame itself is a crucial social emotion that helps you become an upright and empathic person who cares about others and has a strong sense of ethics.

    The key to working with shame is to understand the difference between shame that helps you maintain your morals and ethics, and shame-blame that is thrown onto you by others. The blaming form of shame is actually, and simply, abuse.

    Reclaiming your own true and healing shame is crucial in a time when people are flinging shame-blame everywhere.

    In this episode, we begin to observe how people's tragic avoidance of shame, and their lust for throwing shame-blame at others, is damaging our capacity to learn, grow, connect, evolve, and heal.

    Your own chosen shame forms the center of your ethical core. It's essential. And a key to working well with shame is to understand the difference between shame and abuse.

    Books and practices mentioned in this episode:

    The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren: https://karlamclaren.com/the-language-of-emotions-book/

    The Burning Contracts practice for shame: https://karlamclaren.com/reworking-a-toxic-emotion/

    Strangers in Their Own Land by Arlie Russell Hochschild: https://bookshop.org/p/books/strangers-in-their-own-land-anger-and-mourning-on-the-american-right-arlie-russell-hochschild/85585abfe16c457f

    Stolen Pride by Arlie Russell Hochschild: https://bookshop.org/p/books/stolen-pride-loss-shame-and-the-rise-of-the-right-arlie-russell-hochschild/645bfe0a64abb5be

    Mistakes Were Made (but not by me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson: https://bookshop.org/p/books/mistakes-were-made-but-not-by-me-third-edition-why-we-justify-foolish-beliefs-bad-decisions-and-hurtful-acts-carol-tavris/507560a2efd55431

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    55 mins
  • Retrieve Your Panic
    Oct 23 2025

    Episode 11: Your panic is powerful, and if you don't know how to work with it, other people can grab its power to fuel their own ideas, their own movements, and their own ends.

    But be aware: If people are grabbing onto your emotions, especially the powerful, life-saving emotion of panic, they don't in any way mean you well.

    Your emotions belong to you, and no one should be jacking into them. The first step in retrieving your panic is to understand what it does, how it works, and how to work with its immense power in life-changing ways..

    Books and cards mentioned in this episode:

    The Language of Emotions Cards: https://karlamclaren.com/product/the-language-of-emotions-cards/

    Embracing Anxiety by Karla McLaren: https://bookshop.org/lists/karla-mclaren-s-books

    The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker: https://bookshop.org/lists/trauma-healing-e7c310b5-d52e-412e-ae0a-e3ed4ee8e040

    Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine: https://bookshop.org/lists/trauma-healing-e7c310b5-d52e-412e-ae0a-e3ed4ee8e040

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    42 mins