Have you ever tried to walk away from a toxic person, only to find yourself right back in the middle of their reality?

This week, Dr. Robin Stern (author of The Gaslight Effect) joins Dr. Kerry for a conversation that will change how you view manipulation. Most people think gaslighting is just about lying—but the truth is much darker. It’s a "relational mess" that requires two people to function.

Previous Interviews with Dr. Stern

What's wrong with me? The Power of Gaslighting to Confuse and Control: Interview with Dr. Robin Stern

Breaking Chains: Dr. Kerry McAvoy's Triumph Over Marital Gaslighting and Narcissism

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🔹 Dr. Stern shares the shift that breaks the cycle for good: "Don't allow somebody to matter more than you matter."

In this members-only bonus, Dr. Stern and Dr. Kerry unpack how to stay open and connected in relationships without surrendering yourself in the process.

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DR. STERN'S BOOKS

• The Gaslight Effect: How to Spot and Survive the Hidden Manipulation Others Use to Control Your Life: https://amzn.to/4b50aRu

• The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide: https://amzn.to/40qzc0B

MORE ABOUT DR. ROBIN STERN

Dr. Robin Stern, Ph.D., is a licensed psychoanalyst, Co-Founder and Senior Advisor to the Director of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence, and one of the world's leading authorities on gaslighting. She is the author of The Gaslight Effect and host of The Gaslight Effect Podcast.

Website: robinstern.com

Podcast: The Gaslight Effect Podcast (available on all platforms)

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