In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, speaks with Dave Whorton, Founder & CEO at Tugboat Institute, and co-author of Another Way: Building Companies That Last…and Last…and Last alongside Bo Burlingham, which gives practical advice and explanations of Evergreen companies: focused on long-term stability and steady growth, and leadership beyond personal wealth generation.

00:56: The HP Origin Story and Learning to See a Different Way

3:58: From Reluctant Venture Capitalist to the Evergreen Discovery

9:59: The Tugboat Metaphor

10:51: The Book's Approach to Learning in Real Time

14:44: Financial Transparency, Jack Stack, and the Great Game of Silicon Valley Business

18:01: The Wealth Trap and What Evergreen Leaders Model Instead

22:15: How Evergreen Leaders Approach Boards

25:30: People First: The First of the Seven P's

30:22: Perseverance and the Debt Question

30:45: Customer Intimacy Over Competition-Watching

37:10: Why Aren’t More Companies Like This?

40:02: The Scale and Diversity of the Evergreen World

49:00: Weighing up Venture and Evergreen

52:45: AI, Careers, and the Changing Unit of Value Creation

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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Johan Roos, Global Chief Academic Officer at Hult International Business School, co-creator of LEGO Serious Play, and author of Human Magic: Leading with Wisdom in an Age of Algorithms.

00:30: Introductions — A Long Friendship and a New Book

6:00: The Genesis of Human Magic — The Central Question

10:34: The History Behind the Idea, From 2012 to ChatGPT

17:58: The Five Cs: The Core of Human Magic

22:42: Algorithmic Citizenship vs. Professional Citizenship

28:24: The Junior Talent Problem and Unintended Consequences

35:50: AI in Business Schools and Lessons from Hult Business School

40:04: The Future of Business Schools and the MBA

44:08: Rethinking the Role of the Professor

50:35: What Human Magic Hopes to Accomplish

53:45: Science Fiction, Warning Signs, and "Your Choice"

55:06:What's Next for Johan Roos

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In this week’s Thought Sparks Podcast episode, Rita McGrath, a Columbia University Business School Professor, C-Suite strategist, business founder and best-selling author, sits down with Deborah Perry Piscione, co-author of the book “EMPLOYMENT IS DEAD: How Disruptive Technologies are Revolutionizing the Way we Work” and co-founder and Chief Future Officer of the Work3 Institute.

0:22: Welcome and Introduction to “Employment is Dead”

1:39: The Core Thesis: Why Employment as We Know It Is Ending

6:18 The Destruction of Jobs: AI, Humanoids, and Physical Work

14:18: Carlota Perez’s Theory of Economic Transitions

17:54: The Work3 Institute: Advising Organizations Through the Shift

20:32: Education: What K–12 and Universities Must Become

27:23 Alpha Schools and New Models for Learning

31:00 Economics, Purpose, and the Meaning Crisis

37:40 Humanoids, AI Relationships, and Human Identity

42:49 Optimism, Pessimism, and Where We Stand

50:11 What Leaders and Organizations Should Do Now

52:15 Where to Learn More

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