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The Meg and Amy Show

The Meg and Amy Show

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Join best friends Meg Bear and Amy Wilson on The Meg and Amy Show – a podcast for big-picture thinkers who are ready to challenge the status quo. As former tech executives and seasoned business leaders, Meg and Amy have spent decades leading through change. Now, they’re joining forces to break down the trends they’ve lived and helped shape.All rights reserved by WRKdefined Career Success Economics
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  • Episode 35 | Ben Waber

    Episode 35 | Ben Waber
    Mar 27 2026
    57 mins
  • Episode 34 | You're the Weak Link Now | The Bottleneck Has Shifted From Your AI to You

    Episode 34 | You're the Weak Link Now | The Bottleneck Has Shifted From Your AI to You
    Mar 20 2026
    Our guest had to cancel (get well soon, Ankur!). So instead of the episode we planned, you're getting something better — us, unfiltered, on everything that's been consuming our lives for the past month. Amy has 100+ hours of vibe coding under her belt and has things to say. Meg has been reading Dan Heath's Reset and watching Jason Lemkin slowly become the worst worker on his own team. And together we've landed on a thesis that might be uncomfortable: the bottleneck in AI transformation isn't capability anymore. It's judgment. It's you. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 The Episode That Almost Wasn't 02:30 Field Trip: Meg & Amy Visit John Sumser & Heather Bussing 04:53 Ethan Mollick Was Right: Complexity Is in the Workflow 07:05 Customer Onboarding as a Case Study 12:08 Don't We Still Need Human Connection in the Age of AI? 15:44 Dan Heath's Reset & Three Judgment Failures 18:52 Stop Doing All the Things With AI 22:38 Amy's Vibe Coding Journey: 100+ Hours In 23:05 The Beach Walk Epiphany 29:09 The Executive Reframe: You're Not Just a Manager of AI 32:46 Why Mid-Level Leaders Are Most at Risk 35:55 It's Not a Time Problem. It's a Nervous System Problem. 41:13 Jason Lemkin's Weak Link Problem — And Amy's 47:10 Nate B. Jones & the Open Brain Concept 58:19 We're Out of the Messy Middle 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - The bottleneck has shifted — it's no longer your AI's capability, it's your judgment - The complexity is in the workflow design, not the tools — Forward Deployed AI Engineers won't save you - After 100+ hours of vibe coding, the lesson is clear: your job is to set intent, not implement - When your AI team never sleeps, you become the weak link — and that's an emotional adjustment nobody prepares you for - Mid-level leaders are most at risk from AI: most squeezed for time, least supported, caught in a double bind - If you're procrastinating on AI, it's probably a nervous system issue, not a time issue - Your first vibe coding project should be a throwaway — that IS the curriculum - The "open brain": your intelligence shouldn't live inside someone else's walled garden 📚 REFERENCES: Building Agents People Actually Trust | Ankur Bhatt https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/building-agents-people-actually-trust-ankur-bhatt-ujltc Reset | Dan Heath https://www.amazon.com/Reset-Dan-Heath/dp/1982195851 Ethan Mollick on Forward Deployed AI Engineers https://x.com/emollick Open Brain Concept | Nate B. Jones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JiMmye2ezg Amy's AI Transformation Maturity Model https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-transformation-maturity-model-amy-wilson 🔗 CONNECT: Submit Leadership Questions: megandamyshow@gmail.com Instagram: @megandamyshow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show Meg's Website: https://www.megbear.com #AITransformation #VibeCoding #Leadership #FutureOfWork #MegAndAmyShow
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    57 mins
  • Episode 33 | Marc Coleman on Why Nobody Has Budget for Theory Anymore

    Episode 33 | Marc Coleman on Why Nobody Has Budget for Theory Anymore
    Mar 13 2026
    UNLEASH founder and CEO Marc Coleman joins Amy and Meg for a conversation about what 5,000 HR leaders actually need right now — not in theory, in practice. From launching a disastrous first conference with tangled lanyards and no sleep to building one of the world's largest HR technology events, Marc shares how he reads market signals, why he shifted from benefit-led to decision-led content, and the L'Oréal "journey book” that changed how he thinks about the value of gathering. Plus: why companies winning with AI won't tell you how, the real tension between boards and HR, and Marc's Vegas wedding story. Leadership Corner: what happens when your promotion makes your peers not your peers anymore. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 "Repurposing humanity in the age of machines" 00:14 Introduction — what do 5,000 HR leaders actually need? 01:02 Building communities around big ideas 03:29 The UNLEASH origin story — Chelsea FC and sore heads 06:42 First event chaos: tangled lanyards and one hour of sleep 07:47 How to separate signal from noise as an insider 08:07 The politician effect — why HR leaders can't share secrets 11:26 "I leave the clothes of yesterday behind me" 13:42 "Everyone has the same data — the ones who win make different decisions" 14:37 The L'Oréal journey book — 100 HR leaders, 38 brands, one week of decisions 18:05 What does "good" look like for a conference speaker? 20:44 One sentence can change your career — and a Vegas wedding 22:35 The gap between what boards want and what HR delivers 23:23 Why the hardest part of transformation is always the people 25:12 Boards want capital efficiency. HR manages human complexity. 26:45 Doing your homework — Ethan Mollick and the jaw on the floor 29:17 Why companies succeeding with AI won't share how 31:05 2026 is the year — doing nothing is very costly 32:24 "The execution lives and dies in HR" 33:11 Areas of hope — SAP, Walmart, and pioneering CHROs 34:20 The power of in-person learning and serendipity 37:40 UNLEASH America — March 17–19, Caesars Forum, Las Vegas 39:01 Leadership Corner: Promoted past your peers — now what? 42:23 Build your org structure first, then map the people 46:01 "This is a new job — not a step function of your old one" 47:10 Wrap-up: What HR leaders should focus on in 2026 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - Everyone has the same data — the winners make different decisions, not luckier ones - L'Oréal sends 100 HR leaders to UNLEASH annually with a custom "journey book" mapping decisions to sessions — the future of how organizations extract value from learning - AI capability is outpacing organizational design — companies think it's about tools when it's actually about human beings - The "politician effect": companies succeeding with AI treat it as competitive advantage and won't share publicly - Boards optimize for capital efficiency while HR manages human complexity — the leaders who win translate between both worlds - The execution of AI transformation lives and dies in HR — it's not a side initiative, it's the competitive advantage - Workforce transformation is a team sport — you can't do it alone behind a closed door - After a promotion: soothe your heart, then build your org completely separate from the relationships in place- A promotion isn't a step function — it's a new job requiring fresh onboarding and relationship building 📚 RESOURCES: UNLEASH America 2026: March 17–19, Caesars Forum, Las Vegas https://www.unleash.ai/ Ethan Mollick: https://www.oneusefulthing.org/ Jess Von Bank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessvonbank/ Kirstin Ferguson Episode (Season 1): https://youtu.be/lceHtsbNAcs?si=rlOuV3HwrFk9r1lx 🔗 CONNECT: Marc Coleman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marccoleman/ Submit Leadership Questions: amywilsonadvisor@gmail.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/megandamyshow/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show #Leadership #AITransformation #UNLEASH #FutureOfWork#HRLeadership #DecisionMaking #MegAndAmyShow
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    51 mins
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