Molly Tschang doesn’t sugarcoat it: most workplaces don’t suffer from a lack of talent—they suffer from people holding back what they really think. In this episode, host Dr. Michelle K. Johnston sits down with Molly—co-author of Say It Skillfully with Marshall Goldsmith—to talk about the real reason teams stall: disconnection, fear, and leaders who unknowingly make it unsafe to speak up. Michelle and Molly also explore seismic shifts in leadership: the rise of leaders willing to lead when it’s inconvenient, and the growing urgency for workplaces where truth can be spoken without punishment. Molly ends with a mic-drop reminder for anyone feeling stuck: you have choices—find environments that deserve you, then bring your full voice to the table.

CHAPTERS:
00:00 Welcome + meet Molly Tschang and Say It Skillfully
01:28 Molly’s origin story: belonging, shyness, and finding her voice
03:45 Cornell, chemical engineering, and early identity pressure
05:40 The IBM pivot: choosing growth over the bigger paycheck
07:35 Deloitte consulting + the power of learning through people
08:30 U.S. Filter: integrating acquisitions and leading through change
10:02 Burnout, “In Transition,” and getting connected to yourself
11:01 Cisco’s heyday: high trust teams and “set the container”
13:22 Philanthropy, Ethiopia/Uganda, and a perspective-reset on work
16:39 Relationship systems coaching and the role of vulnerability
18:10 Abella Consulting: helping senior teams “Win as One”
18:26 Meeting Marshall Goldsmith + the videos that took off
23:03 Radio show to podcast: reverse-engineering the skillful model
26:32 Connection, empathy, and why it starts within
29:10 When it isn’t safe: choosing workplaces that deserve you
32:41 Seismic shifts in leadership + courage at every level
37:14 Final advice: the energy you bring is the message
39:00 Wrap + where to find the book

Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season!
Track Title: My Heart's On Fire

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Visual leadership is having a moment—and Todd Cherches explains why. From our dopamine-driven obsession with images to the loneliness epidemic, Todd and Dr. Michelle Johnston connect the dots between how we communicate and how we belong. Todd shares his “three V’s” (visibility, voice, value), why knowing someone’s name changes everything, and how leaders can help people see what they’re saying. You’ll also get practical guidance for presentations (goodbye bullet-point “slideuments”), meetings that feel co-owned, and a simple learning model (VARK) leaders can use to boost attention, comprehension, and retention.

CHAPTERS

01:41 Why visual leadership is “having its moment”
04:58 The 3 V’s: visibility, voice, value
08:46 Todd’s story: introvert to TEDx + prog Visual Leadership + the four buckets
15:01 Presenting now: WSIC + WIFM (make it about them)
17:29 Slide design: “let your slide be your guide”
21:28 Rethinking academia + building learning together
24:40 VARK explained (with the IKEA example)
25:49 Fixing meetings: engagement, ownership, shared journey
30:03 Closing takeaways: reflection, introspection, connection

Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season!
Track Title: My Heart's On Fire

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A seismic shift can wipe out a plan in five days—or hand you the clearest view you’ve ever had of your purpose. Fiona Macaulay opens up about what happens when an entire industry gets upended, and the funding model you relied on disappears overnight. Instead of shrinking, she chooses forward motion: staying true to the mission, redesigning the business model, and thinking bigger about impact. Deborah Grayson Riegel brings the conversation into the terrain many leaders quietly carry: anxiety, mental health, and the pressure to never slip. She shares how her daughter Sophie’s middle-school diagnoses became a family wake-up call—and how Sophie’s insistence on honesty pushed Deborah to be more public, more vulnerable, and more useful to others navigating the same realities. Together, Fiona and Deborah unpack the heart of their book, Aim High and Bounce Back: ambitious goals are supposed to be ambitious, which means setbacks are not an exception—they’re part of the process. They talk about the “messy middle,” how feedback can land differently for women, why perfection is a trap, and how leaders can reframe failure into learning without minimizing the pain of the moment. The result is an energizing, real-world playbook for anyone who wants to take bigger swings—without letting fear of failure call the shots.

CHAPTERS:
00:00 Welcome + why these two guests are “seismic shifters”x-up that led to a perfect co-author pairing
04:17 Fiona’s seismic shift: industry upheaval and a forced business pivot
06:33 “Add a zero”: using disruption to expand impact
08:59 The messy middle: small steps when everything feels unstable
10:53 Deborah on anxiety, advocacy, and leading with the truth
14:20 Thought leadership as activism and giving voice to others
15:57 How Fiona and Deborah met—and why “Me too” became the spark
18:34 Fear of failure as the hidden engine beneath leadership challenges
20:53 Deborah’s assignment: go fail on purpose (and build resilience)
22:46 Frances Frei’s on-stage moment and what authenticity looks like
24:54 Stories and insights from Frances Frei that shaped the book
31:08 What Aim High and Bounce Back is really for—and who needs it
33:30 The survey: 1,062 responses on failure from around the world
35:01 Rehumanizing leadership: imperfection, connection, and growth
36:43 Closing gratitude and send-off

Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season!
Track Title: My Heart's On Fire

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